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GroupWise Mobility update

For those of you waiting on the replacement for GMS, Alex posted an
update to his blog yesterday.

http://www.novell.com/communities/node/9496/groupwise-mobility-update

Wonder what everyone thinks about the one and only supported
configuration...



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  • Joseph Marton wrote:

    > Wonder what everyone thinks about the one and only supported
    > configuration...


    When you buy GW, you get a SLES license with it, right? Do you get
    unlimited installs of SLES? at least 2? Does this even still come
    packaged with GW?

    If not, then I think it stinks (even though it really wouldn't affect
    me).

    If the license for the OS is included, then I don't have any problem
    with it; I'm used to somewhat tight restrictions with other software.
    The DB restrictions are par for the course.

    I'm due for a new phone in the fall, me thinks I will be dropping the
    suckberry and going for a droid (or maybe an iPhail if they come to
    VZW) and trying this.
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  • Joseph Marton wrote:

    > Wonder what everyone thinks about the one and only supported
    > configuration...


    When you buy GW, you get a SLES license with it, right? Do you get
    unlimited installs of SLES? at least 2? Does this even still come
    packaged with GW?

    If not, then I think it stinks (even though it really wouldn't affect
    me).

    If the license for the OS is included, then I don't have any problem
    with it; I'm used to somewhat tight restrictions with other software.
    The DB restrictions are par for the course.

    I'm due for a new phone in the fall, me thinks I will be dropping the
    suckberry and going for a droid (or maybe an iPhail if they come to
    VZW) and trying this.
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  • adrockk;1917605 wrote:
    Joseph Marton wrote:

    > Wonder what everyone thinks about the one and only supported
    > configuration...


    When you buy GW, you get a SLES license with it, right? Do you get
    unlimited installs of SLES? at least 2? Does this even still come
    packaged with GW?

    If not, then I think it stinks (even though it really wouldn't affect
    me).

    If the license for the OS is included, then I don't have any problem
    with it; I'm used to somewhat tight restrictions with other software.
    The DB restrictions are par for the course.

    I'm due for a new phone in the fall, me thinks I will be dropping the
    suckberry and going for a droid (or maybe an iPhail if they come to
    VZW) and trying this.


    If you're MLA you have to pay extra for the SLES subscriptions, it's not included in your GW license.

    If you run SLES in a VM then you don't have to pay the sub.

    But 64-bit, yeah I can see that as an issue. If the software is so "piggy" as to require 64-bit (like Exchange is) then it really has no business being in a VM, IMO. And if it's not in a VM, then I have to pay for the extra license and with our discount, it's cheaper to use MS Windows than SLES subscription.
  • Hang on, my MLA "My products" shows a SLES license under GroupWise? So as a
    MLA customer, I have to buy a license for SLES to run a gateway service
    unless I run it on VMware ?!?!? (Serious cuss words come to mind which I
    can't type)

    If I can found out who my current sales rep is (It seems the turn over has
    been high), I'm going to call them and find out for sure but I doubt if they
    will know.


    "kjhurni" <kjhurni@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in message
    news:kjhurni.44u9u0@no-mx.forums.novell.com...
    >
    > adrockk;1917605 Wrote:
    >> Joseph Marton wrote:
    >>
    >> > Wonder what everyone thinks about the one and only supported
    >> > configuration...

    >>
    >> When you buy GW, you get a SLES license with it, right? Do you get
    >> unlimited installs of SLES? at least 2? Does this even still come
    >> packaged with GW?
    >>
    >> If not, then I think it stinks (even though it really wouldn't affect
    >> me).
    >>
    >> If the license for the OS is included, then I don't have any problem
    >> with it; I'm used to somewhat tight restrictions with other software.
    >> The DB restrictions are par for the course.
    >>
    >> I'm due for a new phone in the fall, me thinks I will be dropping the
    >> suckberry and going for a droid (or maybe an iPhail if they come to
    >> VZW) and trying this.

    >
    > If you're MLA you have to pay extra for the SLES subscriptions, it's
    > not included in your GW license.
    >
    > If you run SLES in a VM then you don't have to pay the sub.
    >
    > But 64-bit, yeah I can see that as an issue. If the software is so
    > "piggy" as to require 64-bit (like Exchange is) then it really has no
    > business being in a VM, IMO. And if it's not in a VM, then I have to
    > pay for the extra license and with our discount, it's cheaper to use MS
    > Windows than SLES subscription.
    >
    >
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  • kjhurni wrote:

    > If you're MLA you have to pay extra for the SLES subscriptions, it's
    > not included in your GW license.


    I'm SLA, so it's a non-issue for me, but I always thought that if you
    bought nothing else, and bought just straight groupwise, then you
    received a license for SLES along with it. Was it ever like this?
  • On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:51:21 0000, Adam Gabriel wrote:

    > but I always thought that if you
    > bought nothing else, and bought just straight groupwise, then you
    > received a license for SLES along with it. Was it ever like this?


    That's how it was for VLA. Question is does the SLES entitlement only
    apply to SLES 10 or does it apply to SLES 11?

    Perhaps someone should ask this question via a comment to the blog
    posting.



    --
    Joe
    With great power comes great responsibility.
  • Michael Rae wrote:

    > Hang on, my MLA "My products" shows a SLES license under GroupWise?


    That's what I remember mine use to look like, but it doesn't now. I
    have an academic bundle that puts them all in the same family.
  • Joseph Marton wrote:

    > That's how it was for VLA. Question is does the SLES entitlement
    > only apply to SLES 10 or does it apply to SLES 11?


    Maintenance on the product/bundle should provide upgrade protection,
    shouldn't it?
  • But SLES is different, at least that's what I'm hearing from my sale rep.
    but then again, she doesn't know and is still trying to find out.

    "Adam Gabriel" <adrockk@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in message
    news:bp14n.4615$q93.3798@kovat.provo.novell.com...
    > Joseph Marton wrote:
    >
    >> That's how it was for VLA. Question is does the SLES entitlement
    >> only apply to SLES 10 or does it apply to SLES 11?

    >
    > Maintenance on the product/bundle should provide upgrade protection,
    > shouldn't it?



  • On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:15:51 0000, Adam Gabriel wrote:

    > Maintenance on the product/bundle should provide upgrade protection,
    > shouldn't it?


    If you have *SLES* maintenance (aka a subscription) then you get the
    latest version of SLES. If you have *GW* maintenance you get the latest
    version of GW. What's unclear is if GW maintenance entitles you to the
    latest version of SLES.

    Here's more cause for concern. In the past, if you owned OES2 you were
    entitled to run as many instances of SLES as you wanted for "workgroup"
    services. Novell has expanded that to allow you to run SLES for anything
    your heart desires as long as it's only accessed by people covered by an
    OES2 license. That's great. BUT... that entitlement is only for
    SLES10. SLES11 isn't included since it's not a part of OES2. So does
    the same thing hold true for GW? Don't know.



    --
    Joe
    With great power comes great responsibility.
  • jmarton;1917769 wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:15:51 0000, Adam Gabriel wrote:

    > Maintenance on the product/bundle should provide upgrade protection,
    > shouldn't it?


    If you have *SLES* maintenance (aka a subscription) then you get the
    latest version of SLES. If you have *GW* maintenance you get the latest
    version of GW. What's unclear is if GW maintenance entitles you to the
    latest version of SLES.

    Here's more cause for concern. In the past, if you owned OES2 you were
    entitled to run as many instances of SLES as you wanted for "workgroup"
    services. Novell has expanded that to allow you to run SLES for anything
    your heart desires as long as it's only accessed by people covered by an
    OES2 license. That's great. BUT... that entitlement is only for
    SLES10. SLES11 isn't included since it's not a part of OES2. So does
    the same thing hold true for GW? Don't know.



    --
    Joe
    With great power comes great responsibility.


    Too bad it doesn't cover MLA.

    We can setup as any OES2 servers as we want, but not SLES servers (unless it's virtualized) every SLES server we install (physical) we have to pay a sub for.

    If it's an OES2 server (obviously it runs SLES then, but it also has the OES2 add-on), then we're "okay". But there's a lot of times we don't want or need OES2 on a machine.
  • jmarton;1917769 wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:15:51 0000, Adam Gabriel wrote:

    > Maintenance on the product/bundle should provide upgrade protection,
    > shouldn't it?


    If you have *SLES* maintenance (aka a subscription) then you get the
    latest version of SLES. If you have *GW* maintenance you get the latest
    version of GW. What's unclear is if GW maintenance entitles you to the
    latest version of SLES.

    Here's more cause for concern. In the past, if you owned OES2 you were
    entitled to run as many instances of SLES as you wanted for "workgroup"
    services. Novell has expanded that to allow you to run SLES for anything
    your heart desires as long as it's only accessed by people covered by an
    OES2 license. That's great. BUT... that entitlement is only for
    SLES10. SLES11 isn't included since it's not a part of OES2. So does
    the same thing hold true for GW? Don't know.



    --
    Joe
    With great power comes great responsibility.


    Too bad it doesn't cover MLA.

    We can setup as any OES2 servers as we want, but not SLES servers (unless it's virtualized) every SLES server we install (physical) we have to pay a sub for.

    If it's an OES2 server (obviously it runs SLES then, but it also has the OES2 add-on), then we're "okay". But there's a lot of times we don't want or need OES2 on a machine.